Newspaper of Burlington Free Press, December 31, 1841, Page 2

Newspaper of Burlington Free Press dated December 31, 1841 Page 2
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DEDATBS 1 N 0 O N G U K S S . Wajiiisotov, Hut;, t j, IS4I. The fifth rtsolutton was then read, and u as fol lows ! ". Il-uoteid, Tint o much thereof ns rclites to tl-c tariflTbe rcfitred to the com mitto on iniiiufncturcs. Mf Atherton moved to str'ko nit tho word "man .lfictures" and in-crt " wajs nnd means." tlo said tho uf tin committee of ways and means Intended to reserve, to tliat cornmitteo onlv so much of tho int uj;o as til ited to the receipts anil expendi ture! of Government. This aim belonged to the com miltivi of wiys and means j hut if so much of the tintl' were referred tothocominilteoon mniufactiircs. it would he taking from the comniiilee of ways and litems their appropriito business nnd countenancing mo prmctp'a ut protection to its fullest extent. v, ' i .i i llouia from an elimination of lint part of the incs sige. lie should prefer to have the resolution luwli fied so as to rind, as folly ws: " Tliat so inn h thereof ns relates to niinuficlures, and ton nf ilulieswilli " reference to coni Ictations nf domestic policy connected with our iiim.ifact ires," be re'erred to l!i cominitleo on man- J aelirOS." 'I hesc wcro the words of the ine'go ilsclfi ".So nisi, Ibe f.ovcrnnicut luiv he justified in sodiseruni n iliu j, by relet eneo to oilier cunsidi rations of policy connected with our innnufieturos." That was the portion which carried lo iho comniitiec nn manufac tures the subject of dunes for revenue, but with dis rriiiiination "having refercneo to considerations of dinie.-tie policy connceled with manufactures." .So lunch is related lo this snbj.ct, lie thought none would dispute, ouglit to go to the comniitiec on miii nfa tiiru. The business nf the coinmitleeof ways nnd inerins dil not embrace tho "discrimination" winch wis pointed to by the President in Ins messigr, and which htsy had go- to dispose c,f by reference to some committee. The subjects lo le referred to the c nnmilice of ways and means wcro expressed bv flic rule describing their dulv. Mr Wis wis very slid thai the gentleinin from New Mjinp-i'iirefMr Atherlon) hid undo bis motion s i no o 1 1 n ii, ue vi .) s'.nui.t nave movcil it. It " ' ? ", l" ioi.-'iiii me ip i-M"i in i ,,,, , '" '."" """ I'" 1 hn,- linrxt l..r, I... .',...r ..r il. . ,i ,C ........ ' vho hadgonr for protection ;irr, liad gone for the reference to tho committee on minufacltire, nnd thosa who Ind gone for n tirill'for revenue to supply the want-of the Tnnsiiry, had voted a referent:: to the commit tee of way- an I means. The L'l-ulleman lVoni Ithode Island. (Mr Tillin- 'nrv ol I he Ian I nuns tun liisl) hid Mil there wis a portion of this messige wlneli lee.rnmenileil proteclion lo nnnuheliires-a . l II III i nunc? IUI (IIU t'l-llljll .IlIU U K! IllHiei l lrtl l) 11, I n a.l tins iiiess.i-Mi in such a manner as to Icael to such nn inlere'iee. Mr Tiiliuglnst requested the gentleman from Vir ginia to illow him to evpliuil which requt Inriitg b-.'ii eoinplied wilh by Mr Wise, Mr T. said ho bad leil llin' rent of the mussigc which connee'ed the lulies with tlieiiiti:ic-t of the iinniifsetuter, auoiher purl which showed that the President in-l'-u 'ed lint the amount of duty should be governed by I III- compromise act, and not exceed "0 per cent.; no I, in i-iilli'rtiiiir thai, he had s lid the message point nl -it the connexion with the policy uf domestic man iraetuiis. .Mr Wisj now understood the gcntlcnnn as he 1ml done before. Hu (Mr W.l did u it use Ibe words but the id js of the gentleman, when he said tliat the g-nt,.i in hid alleged thai the President had recom- j men led proleet on. There was nothing in the mes- sire wlneli suggested any such thing. He then quo ltd various pissiges from thu message, hhowing, as h-' contended, that protection was not intended, but thy refer-iiee was had lo fiscal objeels to Treasury n'ljeels alone to revenui. The message recom nieu led a larill'of duties fur revenue; it-idiuit'ed a right of discrimiu iting for the object of revenue j and witiun llie line ol revenue gentlemen miglit aserr 0 . , , , . . . - . . .. , - , - - I to themselves the right of protection if thev n cased, i .nil i, iiu nun ill yuiiii it l.i I ill ut le-veuiie (II l l( go. II inighl be said that llu-part vvhieh.-i Imilled the liglitnf d'seriiuinitiou ought to go to the coin mil lee on untiu-f.u-turesi but they could not separate the two parts, and it ought to bs referred to the counuillee of ways nod means: in llie firt jilaee, because the tarill re coinui"n led was a tarill' uf revenue, and in the next place because piote-etion was merely incident. The qu islion was, vvbel her the principal should govern r lie reference, or a mere incident. The gentleman pro posed to ui iko the incident govern the princ pil, and eirrylhis whole -'ibje " to the committee no manu factures, lo raise a tariff for Ibe protection of nianii- rseiur s. ... ' .Mr mutt sua nn olijeet wis to call the ntt-nlinn j nl the Ilou-e to llio cliaraetir ol the pinpoi-'ition now lie-lore them. Me did not understand the mesvigu as recommending piutei lion iielf,nra larill'with a"view to pint elion, but dis i.ieily for revenue. He must ciiul'ci-s th it ll.c messige did alo iiniunlc tint dis crimination might so bo in ide as to proleet iii.inufac tuie". When a duly was made for Ibe pill pose rf revenue, could it induce to proteclion? The onlv way in wlveh the domestic producer i-ould be bene fitted must be by h iving bis imivif jcluris consumed, Instead of tho j'oreigii manufactures which would runic in ; and, in this print of view, how was it iios. t-itIa lei combine a d ity for revenue and prolectmn 7 Pieeiscly where one intirest commenced the nlhei cuoeii. n ine iwo onjecis were incouipanlile anil in ronsittnl wilh eich he contended, whatilid they propose by ihe imposniou uf duties I L'nlos ilu. lies were laid lor the protec;ioii of the imnuf.icturer, nnd for thoib-siiueiionuf commerce -unlei-s Ihat was iho mad deign of the House, i!mie must be intended for rev i nil-. ; and why should be question of laying duties for levenni) be irferred lo the cummillee oil Iiianuraettires7 Tile lime hid now come when ihis qiicMion inu.-i be sit. led; nine years it had been igi. on tins l! inr. While they were about legislaiin; on Ihe iirs step, he urged llieui to I c careful to coin' iiul Iho ubjivt lo ibe co'iouittee lo vvhieh it belone-d. If the II nisu intended a dntv for revenue, or inciden ti ly for protection, the subject should go lo the eoni initlee of ways and means. If tins principal benefit vv-asiif piotectiou, tho subject .should go to the cum in uiee on ijvimtiaciiire. .ur I llliiiori eiiiiiesseil ill lt ue COUI.l nut aceriiinl ' ,. rv 11 I . I , . . for the sensibiluy in the Mouse on this suliject-w V 1 wavsindni- :r;r-!V,u:,,',''ieM-cor,'i,,,,v ?V,?,lr, ol n', I" ' , r . " ll"n,lll,ce !l Ll ' for ihe prnlietiori tin., uaclues as a cemnnttce on in i iiifaclurcs. The. whole subject, vvoiild be bdore I ,,e , - "IS '',rl U!1 ",Vne '" "'" ! winch hid operand on previous Cmigressn fur re ferring ibis subject to the couunilleeon minufacturvs an I not ol wavs and means, was th ti ihe latter com luittee hid been ovcrluiidened with the busiiii ss :lvy b id had to attend to. Il was ulsu known that ihe roinunlieu on miuufaeiures, unless tl, s .nbject were assigned lo them, had little or no business lo perforin; : inri,,,ifik im-i l-ivjii nn l.lii.,ifdun.s were .levied slriel.y wid, :, view to ' revenue, nicy n quire uie mvesiigalion ol llie minu fvcluies and commerce nf tins countrv bevond vvh il nny coinuiilt e could give llie subject vvhieh docs njt devote Iheir n tiro lime to it. How did ihe u!ij'ct 'tind 3 It must ho borne in mind that a lull was passed nl ihe last sessiun fur rev. c line alone, vvilhout ref, re-nee to m-iniif-icturesj mat bill made n very slight discrimination on the various s-1011: niu . al tlnl tun-. 11 was ilu imnrrjl 1.,, H-indmg III 11 ihe subject ueuled revision, fur llie pur pose., seeing woeiuer general unties .lid not ..r innury e-aiic.i me yeas aiu nays o:i me iiioii'in, , ministry mill piomolu the mil rcsi ol me country, no Wiiu-h wcru ordered. i wonl I vote a;;niiis Ihe amendment. Mt Tillinghast iid the portion of tho message Mr. Smith, iifVirmiua, said he would briefly bring which the gentleman from New Vork (Air I'lllmore) the nolice of the I louse the real and pn per chir intoniled to refer to tlie eoinini tee on manufactures acter i f llie tpiestinn befoto them. Uc then went bMomrffil tn llipn, nml tins wnnlil nnneir to the ...,.... I.. ...., t..i ...:.,n,:.tti ..r il.., i.,i'.tnim .r tin,' lV..i,. .mi iiu., tn'il ,ei ii,.,. ., . . .... i ii amciiniiysiiiunsoui theworus "Uommittccuu Man. ivo V i u .V : . .. i " r u,lerl ""l!n'l'l.o i uf..elur.s,"aud iuseiling llie words 'Ciiuinilteo of I'vit iheeon , ee .-011111 make ihe nc-cssiry uivt-ti-! Wavs -0111 Mi-ms " ? yi" Hi,';." '"'r ''"""i"0 '"' A-id''Cslienwasoii th. amendment, tntsls. Here, the 1, tin y had duves impose, up 10 I Mr Jon s uf who wis, milled 1. llU 1, . il,"I,"?,."".f.,,'a. ZHy? M"( 1 'cs-od Iholh-useat Jo! bZh u! f,vor';f S tending .liuihebareeliuuieralionoflhosediiliesshi , v or Iho en nilry. It seemed to liuu tlnl this subject , , ihe lirsi i.binee 1h.1t ihe vv bole .iibi, el nf .,, variably chin 1 1 Willi it. Hecoul, not see how a lest ,., lillt,, t0 , 1(.ir char, qucslion could be undo on tins s,,beet. It bad been , ttclc a pri.pi nitSm to lay ihe tarilT for pro si id Ihat he committee nuinnf .etures was uneou- ,e,.i.m, he wns , ut prepared lory that ils Ii reel on t.l.Uiouil. It was strange Hit n couumll, p vv bleb tn the lioiumitlreoii Miiniitactules would not e l,?. .a' ."l.I',"1in."i'",a ,";p" -'tci.ev, in.l cinr!,'. I . r, I , 1 1 ' 1 r, ,Win,y "''"- aT "'" Iv, i i , .r ,u ?JJ. i ,d "'"""'"""""'"r--! , 11 ...v. . .-, iiiiiii-u liuu. mi:u e-iuiimiiee 11 hill camel II eniil.t not be. The only question . !,.' . iVJ. . 1 "" " .'n'' ! u n,Te I, esc h?uXu? "' !'"S" 'J C'' 8"n, I -iTi.i , eo,,! 1 liteemV, " ," " ,! 'o,fy i i ,7i', ,,i,,,n.r ,V , . 5 ,i '"'"V1"""!-' I ' "' " "' ." "!" c '". '"""s. . The irnth was, v r i i. navu a .ooimuiie on llus sul. cel. or a iiii-siou lor llie purpose orenlleetlm.inr:,n,nliou lor ibe use of this House; them was nodaner in hue-1 "i nl , - ? '',"" , ....... . ,i .r T I , l i m ",e ";'""v' a','!'':!';"i3 ' n K,:i':tbi:'s;!!,l;n'r the President's niessarre. be lr,or.,.,l mm, ' ',' " 'r. V. I lulroflho commitlreof wav.; ,,l , .1 . lilt sen1 for i knew on 1 i ns great subject of manufacture.. 'r,, fc J nnnuisctiircs. 1 rhoqiiesiioii now-came tip, to vvhieh standing coin. I mines should be referred that inrt ol the PiesTdenl' protection There was nn miel. . , , " i-i-'j'-'-i.i-'ii in nn- - measure, and co useoueii v nnnn ir.,m ... 11....... The geiilleiniu from ,,,.; Oandina (Mr Hlu it had ' j tVJXi T. IV'J' al1. '5" ''i"1' U, ? 1 'V1''."'"'' J ' , rnoso of I, ' "J" "'c"'' "'" t'pK'J' . 1 nP? 1 ,T. S rtv'""" ? '.ho mnde will,- ', olrv-, and l ho 1 ,,!nm,fl"''"ri"--;i " V;818 f ."' V?bei nS mefl M i t'.' l""" "i, . il.e iruii issue 'I h, P "! T W." V i"'",'; l'I.""'f 1 ' n.vT.. .1,,; ' oe President of the l Siaes e Vn , n ,a. n "r!e '"."T"'-. ,lul cs f"r f""''". I ,.,.ivi. .m .u.cAiie-;siy,.iireciiy, nu.lin unr- , sulii'ei. qiiivncai erm-, 01 luiposmg elutus for revenue, but Sir, J. here read fi.11,1 the Mess,-, I'l.-.'lenlflllv for tirnti-etliiM ... .... r ..e . , . ...,,. . ., ' . ,. ' '""'lO'i' luring in- o reeeipi 1 uiu e peuuiiuris, vviucii lie ii-rMU or ti country, (.entleiucn inusi not make a , cmnuicuci-d upon ns " n great lessun- as false issue h' re. They ta ked nf avoir, din!.,, rr ' ilu, e-,.,,l,n-,i.. i....,L 1 . There was no issue htfore thcin now on the princi pluof proposinijduty fur prolcciion, but for revenue. And iho question arose, whether, in proposing duty for revenue, tliev slioulil so discriminate as to proleet the crent manufacturing interests of the country. If such a discrimination were to bo made, they wauled to know what branch of industry most needed it, so as Indiscriminate wisclynnd judiciously. Anil whonco would lliey get ibis information! Itoiii tho com mittee of ways nnd means, whnnro "opposed to have no particular knowledge on this subject, or ftom the committee on manufactures, who are appointed with rfcrence to Ihis very subject 1 This cpiction needed no answering tho formation of the committees an swered it at once. Then the question was, whellier in raising revenue, which must bo raised for the, in ilipeii!iTdo necessities of (tovetniuent, they would iliscriinmilc, andd scriminatefor tho purpose nf pro tecting domestic man if iclures I If the irrnllcuiJU ftom .South Catohnu would lu.iko no such discrimi nation, lei him icconl bis vole for thcaniendnicnt. If. on the oilier hand. vv Inle thev laid n lariH'for reve- llmi, uimtil Wit ilislril til il !i4 l.i tifnipi! itnr own i . . "..j ..... ................... , several eoniuiii'ees, slinwingthat, before tho creation , oflhu committee on Manufactures, its duti-s had I been peifoi nieil by the cninmillee on commerce, to-! . iber vvi h tlicprescnt du iea oflhis coniuiiltce. lie Fhcn conli uied.l When llic sp'.tit of protcrlwn be-j m Mantles was miilc ; nn: enniiinlteniill .1 tnseii iiivcommiiieeou uiiiiiiiiaeiuies . d now the niieslion wa, whether the coniniilteeon Manufactures, for the pitrposo n pro-, teciion, idionld lis recognied ns in thu power of Con- gress. ii uiu imii ni proieuuun tiu um.-tuirimi- , noual, cleaily lliuconnnilleo on iirtiiufaoliircs mnt , be. 'I ho question then wis, whether this House1 menu lo look ion l.uilVonly for a revenue, or fori protection, lffor revenun, wlut usa was there for the eoniinitlee on nnuufiieiures .' Its powers could be embraced, as formerly, under the uomuiitlccs on I eoiuiucrce and waysnud litems, and Ilia committee was altniri ther unnecessary. Ifnotout of older, be would siigirct llie projiriety of lajiua em Iho table Ihis resolution, thai the remaining pails of the ines. Kige illicit be icl'eirid, and he would then olfer a ri's ulu'ion on which the qaotiou tiug'it be raised. The question must bo settled by this emigre whether, under the constitution, they weie to piotect domestic iudii Iry, or whellier they were lo look to the tarill'as a iiiL-.ins of revenue. He moved lo lay the lesolution cm Ihs tab e, with a vie.w toolUra rei-olnliou abo'isli. j,,,, iiu. ,.,1nini..eo:i i oMimilieeon maiiui ieiures, anu giving iivTe- .,r,or tiieeominillee on en.nmeicc the power ocr eouiini ree an I ill inniael les. .... . . . . , The .SneiKer slid he would require a vote nf two thirds in bring tin re solution befoio tho House, if oh jeelioti were undo to it. Mr. Smith then withdrew the motion. Mr. l'rollil llinuithtit was very immiterial, except as to principle, whellier this -ulijcct went In ihp com mittee on m ini f et ires lr vvnys nnd .Alcans, fur their composition was bui little ilillerciil. ! ru'ii prmcipli r.tiXi t logo lo the eoniinitlee of ways and means j H'.Sii,U O ft'ou-ress, the question of the larill, by a tin minimis vote or tint (Hie lug) parly, was rclcrrcd lo the eouinullec of ways and Means ; an I now it w issarl-to be improper to refer it to the counuillee nf wav.s and .Means. Ways and Means tor what 1 Ucnriynu ihu tioveiniuent, lo keep iho public pure, to nuet the expenses of the (iovern meiil. Toe very lilln olllieconnniltee if the tarill'was indiel lor rev i hue, showed ibnt this subject thonld go ti the eoinuiiileeof wajs and means. In looking on tin; composition of die I'imiinitleeoii nnnufaelure.s ho was compelled, in scKite fence, to vole agiinl its reference to Ilium, Th'-rc wn not a snlitaiy lncm beronit fioui west of Ohio ; while on llie coinnnl- leonf vv.'iysnn I means there would be one or two lo protect the interest of llie Wes in tins nrilter. Ills vi- ws coincided with those of llie ginlleinen fiom virinn on ibis mailer. He did not believe it was intended ,iy the 1'rciiU-nt lo eoiinlemnee a nnll f r plot elion,' but tlnl he would be found on the side efa lirill'ior revenauand lb it alone. 'I he lef.-renee ou:jhl lu be ovule to the eoniinitlee of wiys an, 1 Means. Mr W. W, Irwin (in icplv to theile laraiiou of .Mr Protli ) soil ihere w;i, a member of the eoiuiniiiee of ways nnd mi ans from Norhur'tof Ohio. Me did not intend lo ilcbalo this mtc-tinn, nltlioii'-h, when III Ulie, , u IJIMIIII IJL-,, I II I I I.I L L,tl) I ll. HI' III !i,. r. i i,i, ;,, r,,r, ,.r mi,,. proper, it could be shown every IMv-ident nf c ve-d the iloetnue ol nrolecliiv: iloinestie uelus'rv. The mcs-age ol the pii-cut President s lid that, while we ought lo confine tins ilulies imposed by ihis Ciov erilin. in lo the purposes of revenue, and' while it is advisable to a iopt moderiite councils on this -ubjeei, the tn iniilieluring intens iniglil seek within this provision protection. 'I herarly Pu.-iienls and tam-gres-et weni fit ther linn the ineie d eltine of pro teelinn ; they went for encouragement as will as pro tection of domestic loanufactun s. Mr I. th.-n cited fmm tlu history of iheir legi'la lion soineinstnnet s ill smuiort of this gro ind, iiartic- ularlv rt tuning lo tho second loll passed by Congress wha'li eounleii'iue-eu I vvha-li eounleiviue-ed llns piineiple, and was pa sed ijV.n vel, t 3 ,m,t1lin. ,,e Vi-is lining llie name of James M i-liou.' lie al-o briellv noticed ibe line bis torv of the coiiim tleeon III iniif letures. I! it ii, iw h id -i parlyspruug op, and bi en recognis ed n t only in Smith i'.imli i.i, bill hud spread its ia inilic.ilions mtooiher firiions of ihe rnion, that not only eouileiuned llie proleelive svslein, din el and in cideiitiil, but went against a db-rrimSnitinii (lut es, within a laiill of ri-veii e, for Ihe pmliction nf de mesne loauuf-icluies. Tlvy went firther, and ilcir el by ilisciiiiiiniliug agiiii't llieui, lo break down the in lu'try of llns eouuiry ; an I liny had now vviihin that party a meiuber fiom Ci.'i.rgn,a Whig mcinber, fioei whom he was niueli sutpriseil to heir such st-n-timeuts ashe had to-day littered, vvhieh were ill vio- ) i moil ni ine pieoge-s given uy uie greai i iiirnsou par- Iv; mule by ihur eh. if, whoupenly nod Minve boird I llung oul his banner lo the bn ee, and declared him- self in fivor of ibe coin.uoiuisnaet, but wilhm lint, l-ir mi ni" proieetion lint cntilil lie nllinleil Homes-lu- inJiisiry. I le (Mr I.) eamo here sulemny pledged to carry nut nil thf mineiples and doctrines adv-ineeil by that party, and no id prepared lo redieni Ibe pledge ; nnd he ca.led on on gentlemen from the south -outhern Whigs .to fulfil lint pledge. The do inesli industry of the coiiuliy must nnd wind I be prole-eted. (some eonveisilion here oee'.red bclweru Mr libel nnd .All Ii win n to llie posiliou tiken by the former gcnllenieii. wliieb iea--ain delinel sub'slaiiliilly as above, and denv in ; thai he was in f ivur i-f discrimi nating n.'imsl .Mam f iclures ) .nr. lrwtu onlni'ieii. t le now chum on the renin- t i, i : i. ,i .1 e 1 cd to 1 nv h s d it r ne-s'V he fir? man, faeluns. To what eoiumi.tie, heasked, should ,ilw ,r, ,1 ss-,.,e ' T , ..,,,,!..,. ,r .... ,,! ,,.,.,. ,,-b.r warn not nn vinm.l m l.,.. "I""" Ihe.innulaeluring u.liresl., nr lo iho commit- ,...,.,,,. ,.,.,r.,.i tee on in uuif iclures, vvlucli was pros -me I 10 be nc iiuiiuied w ilh ibis sub'u i.ti I. el it be adinilli-d lb-it j lliey might uiei leut'y I'iserimiuatc, for the purpuse of tilimliog all Hie unite Moll tliev cmilil willuu Iheeoni- ' promise act, nnd vvbei was the subject to go if inn m . I tin' committee on inauufielun s ; i I The Speaker g ive the lloor to I , , i ... . e . . .' I I t . .l,'' ,nj' In sj' ibS ' , And then the house adjourned. I's i iav, December, 17, IIU. i The business of yesterday was the reso lution rifllrud h Mr. I'llluiore! 1 lie otttt, That so niueli iherenf i. e. uf ihe Presi I .1 . ... I .... ... 1.. . - ....!. . . .. . i m il" eii-ss ,i;ej n!ii inns in mi.- i.inu no reicrreo to the t'omuiilleeon Manufactures. Which resolution Mr. Alhertou had moved tu imeudiiiciil. .Mr. J, cumincd ui'o tbeilulies of the ( ommittec of V,,v, mid Means, ns oreseribed bv il ,1,.:;". pro,,, r n).. limdid any gentlemen in ihis Hoiis-i 'li'ion of duties fr ihe purpuseof protcc: Iingdomes'iie manufnelures '1 Tho idea wis dis. el iimed 0:1 ill b.iiidi, Was such the ree-comiiienda lion of ihe Pre ideulof the Tinted .Stales 1 He (Mr, .) I''"' ''"'J' ni'l'fnl " ''ic history of the tiast ,,. !'f" "f ,l"' lo lind '.ho mos'l .im'ple riiui.uiou in sin u a posiuou. vvnsiiiai a 1 ur con- sirueiion lo lie plucc.1 upon the coiiimunicaliou ol t he p.en.leni I q'lus vvoubl lead him (Mr. J. nccessar. ,K- .,.!,.,.!.- ,l,, ,,,u,ieni;,. i.,ir. . ,..i i ,l,.r i h-i.,,,.,1 iliai .-omi,imiieai,i. V.,r, -e,K. i. - i.n ntt :., n.,.i i :...' ,11113, HU Ill-Mill ... I. IIS till, ,,H, MIU H I U'-llll'll-' Tlicv must not onlv look to the ,a aehnh whi.l? r laicd to the questiou of the tarill', but il.ty must lake ,r .u i, u,.i , , ..,e l' lcuu '! " 'T"' '"' ."uii'l ol Ihe I're.i. c""!' "'is ,,,. el lufore Iho House. The .-..i.i, n ,.,. .,-s ,,.; ,,e. ...i. m lhlJ ,-ounexion it ttn,tiai ilt, suhjott of tho larill had be. 11 iiilroducid by ihe President j and Mr J. vvoul.l ,-,,11 "he alien' ge the slnlcinrnl ineuleniiilly dliistraiiiiL' .i.. .1 ..... .' ' . . laiuplc 11a n iiiii-iu-i. i.i ir 11 ,1111 11 e ie-e-iiiiei4 1 ereio ore read Ii v ,.. vvi.... ,1 .. : . .r. . .... . . . u ., ' o a ,u Z ge KV.TS l,r V"-.?,r "f " I l.o iufi'icnce I, t u,'jp-' "I" ''re ident'in hi. eom.u.u.ica.ioi. was protection lo d.,1,11 me uiiiinifaclurcs. Tl.c Pre.idci I V CM,U ' "ner 'lirougliout these , " ' ,e Message. Jos, f,,.h, of ,be" word r.ri, , r , Thus '' ly llui"P "I's"1' to impose dull, s for lb- purpose of revenue alone. eoufesned be did not verv cleirlv .luderslnnd .. ... -. .... . . ....uh.!, ,,1 im,. incnl mny bo juslifieil m so discriminating,, by ref erence lo other considcinlionsofdoineslic policy con nected with our Jtnnufaclurcs," If tho President im ant to assert the opinion that Congress pofsessed thocouslitntiunnl power lo lay discriminating duties with a view to protect domestic manufacture! then he iliHercd with him lototwlo, nnd for Iho reason, which appeared to him sound an I incontrovertible, thalnt Iho tireci o point where complete piutcctioii commenced, revenue ceased. Tho very objoit for which protecting duties wcro imposed, wns loryclude from the country Iho couimoililics on which tho du ties were laid, nnd on vvhieh icvcnue depended; whilo duties lai I for revenues wcro for revenue nlone. The clli-ct of tho ono was to promote commerce, to raiso revenue to replenish the Treasury. The .fleet of the oilier was certainly to cripple-, ifm t to do.-troy both the commerce nnd revenue of tho country. Hut if on thonllicr hand, the President meant to ad vance the opinion ihaUncidcnlal proteclion to do mestic manufacturers might result fiom discriminat ing ilulies laid really for the purpose of revenue, then tho iiiesnon was presented 111 wholly n diU'ercnl point ofvio'.v, and in ono certainly le-ss objectionable. In no view that he (Mr. .1.) had been able to take nf this subject, had he been nblu tn perceive any suffi cient nasnu why il should ho lukui from thu Com niiilee nf Ways nnd .Means. Mr Hunt (of whose icmirks a belter outline would I r given but rorthodilliciiltyexperiencedby tho tte poileriu healing) remarked that, from the first com mencement of thisdebatc, ho had deprecated It I be cause it .s.'cnied to him that tho genllcmeii were mi -uceessaiily anticipating n subject which must, soon er or lalcl'", conic up for the action of tho House ut Ihe present session, j He was a member of ihe t'nmtnitleo on Mnnufic-1 lures, placed there by the will of the Speaki 1. Were hel.Mr. II.) to consult nun ly his own case, he would beile-irous tint this subject (embarrassing nnd per-I nlexinj in its diameter as it mi loiibtedly was) should i be referred lo the Coininiltee of Wnys nil I Means. Hut fiom the course which tlusdebato had taken, ho 1 could not but understand that gentlemen wcro desir-1 oils of drawing out on this Hour an expression of opin- im ns to the fact whether there wns uny consiitu lional power "r right in this llouso or ibis (iovirn incut to proleet the labor yes, iho free and theshve 'nbor uf ihis country, as lonlradis ingiiishid against thepaupcr labor of r.uropc If there was any .holive or object in Ine drbalo vvliiih bid sprung up, It was to elicit an cxpiessiuu if opinion oh Ihis point. He had had mi idea of entering into the aigumcnt and sbouli imi lin-i, ilnne so but that some observa tions ha I been made by tho geiilletnen from Virginia .Mr. Jones vvh ch be I il r 11.1 could not suffer lo pass without n remark. Ho had repeatedly, year after year, made the declaration here, that mi far ns rc ganlci! himself and ho tn ko the senliiuciils ol a lonsiitnency par ly agriciiltural, partly commircial, nud parlly ihauufacturuig, and one uf iho ni'sl wea'lhy coiisituencics in his slalc thero was no dispos'nii n to drive tins subject of tho tarill' to any extent that any patriotic gentlemen from the South would not a-sent to. Ho had said this much when tho subject uf the tnrifi" was held up as the stalking horse to Irigbl eu men from ibeirpropiiety that there was no de sire on the part of the A'orlh to drive tho proteclion of iiianufact rers to an eMint oll'eiisivo to enlighten ed and patriotic genllcmeii fiom the .Soiilh iicliug under the compromise act. He stood precisely upon the same L'lound now. and he bi lievi'd tint his coll- sliluents .toed also i pun ground. .Vumrs some tunes Occamermi''?. jimi"?. fieiilleiueu talked about pro- they talked about leveuue. ficnlleincn leclion and got up here, and entered into nn elaborate arginnini uirel-itiou toproliclioiiou llieouu sule, linn revenue ontheolher At tho same time it would bo found that those very gentlemen, when they sat down by their own firesides and tnli.ed upon the subjicl, tis American citizens, auious to protect tiie labor yes, llie labor, slave and flee of tins country, against the legislation of oilier countries, and against the com mercial regulations and rcstnctionsnf other countries would not ilnTer. Andju-priueii al object ill rising had hi en In ask gentlemen on all sides of thelloise, tariU'oranti-laiill. vv hctlu-r coining from tho North i r thesouth ofMnson and Dixon's line, Input as-do fro, u their conteiii latinos the charm of proteclion on Ihe oucune hand, and llie revenue on llie other, and I Income up 11 e sms ble and patriot c mi n, Ii A'n r leans, to the question of the proieetion of American industry, slave or free from the north or the south ifMusiin and Dixon's line against ihe legislation, i llie order.s in council, and the restrictive regiilalious nl' foreign countries. 'I hat was vvlnt he asked. He, asked g. nllemin lodo this m a spirit of compromise :n a spu t of patriotism as American citizens, with-1 out lefereii'-e to goo-Tophi -al divisions. I .Mr. 11 indobih next obtained the Ibor. but gave vvav for a moment to Mr Mason nf Ohio, who inquired if it was now in order lo move an ameiiduieul to the revoluliou ! The speaker said it was not in order, an niucnd mi ut now pending. Mr Randolph said, that, being one of the com mittee on Manufactures, and representing a people hugely interested in the subject, he would crave llie indulgence of the House for n few moments. He rejiiie.-d lint the deb ilo In I sprung up ihus early in tlie session. Il would arouse the country to the nn-1 poi lance of llie subject, and awake from their filal sluuibcis ihe nuuieious class of ,eilicus whose in- i leresls vv ereal slake j for they Ind been sliunhi ring 1 on the very brink of destruction, as ifall were safe or a'l was lost. Mr. 11. was ako happv lint ihis debilo Ind not as- ' sinned a political cast. The Suu'h, of all pirlies, had come out against llie manufacturers ; and he thought i ibis ouglit to show to ihe Nonh, the Middle and llie We-t, that they ilmuM burv parly ihslinelions and , ,.,.,, .;, .,,.,;, ii...,ii.i .. ,i,., ir.. Inndcd democracy ofPennsjIvania, as well as their ' political associates in oilier poruons 1 1 the I nion, lo go with him in sust iiiiing the interests of their own domestic industry. If ever there was a qucslion pa ramount to mere pirlv considerations, tins was taio. Iiio.leand shiiuld rule triumphiuily a' ovc all such distmeiiins. And if (said Ml. l.l llie now before us is to be a lest, as alleged by the gentleman liom Virginia, Mr. Wise,) bt nil 'the North and West he nnayt-it nn the true side. Hut there was no oec.isuui for making it a test : the subject bad alvvavs hem refund lo th,-1 'omnuttee on Manul.ielmes, nnd ilu re it should go. lint il II be a lest of w hat is u ; Without looking to vvh it bid heretofore been clniiind for the nianiif-icuirt-rs, wiihout waiving any eonsii liitimnlur olheripiesiious, ihev now asked only ill it whilst so niueli revenue, nn.f u mure, should bo r-useil as would be suHieietit for llie -iiq,ort ol liov -'inment tut tlu dulies cboiild be so niran.-ed iiii.I ilisciiminalid as to nlliinl n lair proleet mi to ihe in lii-try of ihe eouuiiy. This all must admit lobe right and proper, unless lliey would impose a mere ad riilonm horizontal lar ll'o'f duties, litlvvirn lln so Iwo sysieius was i,e te I, and on ihis qucslion he im ! rstKnUhe President as going with the Noilh. II s iv's ''So als i ihe (ioveinincnt mav be juslifud in s i ' iiVriiituWi'ii!-, by reference looilu-r con-ulera-'lions uf tlumthtlr jmlivij connceled wilh our iiiantt- 1 "fiirtnr.t. So long ns ihe duliis shall be hid wilh "d sli'iel ri ferri-nr-e In tin. ivnieu uTtlm U'r.,ci.... "well founded olijieiious can i sisl against them," lie ml,.'.: 'II mighl be esieenied desirable" not to nf. 1 feel Ihelind bill. Thus be does nut even limit Ihe liserunuiation lo 20 ncr cent. Mr. It. sul In w is aware lint a certain ueswipi. per, claiming to bo the organ of the I'ni,eul, hid put a different eonslrueliou on the Message, nnd had I y way of .satisfying the filobe audits supporters, if he rceo leci.-d ii::ht,pul tlusns .me of the cases where lln Pro idem and llio (ilobe "importers were twelve piees npirt originally, but llio President had advan- ee.l nine lo in. eel tbini, and lliey were required to go ihe- other three. He supposed, however, that iho eoii iiry must iook in me .Message ilself, rather than lo the organ, for the Piesiilenl's views, unless there I were some mi this fbor, ns mm.,r said ihere were,' who wireu'i'ioWrni to say that the Presi lent, in ihe 1 al. s-ace, means .nut vvllllMr It. ami others enn. ICIllI I In-did. Were any so aullioriedl no answer, Hu n there are none. The, language of the Pru ideut .nisi hu 1 .-..-ii ns minu m 11 n.iniP nn, ms acts con form aecotdi ugly. 'I'ho erni'i-inan from Snulli Ca rohmMr. I'.heli) bad said ihat a larill' for revenue and one for protection were inconsistent, and tho gent eman from Virginia Mr. .lones had this morn mg dwelt 011 ibe same point, Mr. It. thought, with delercnce lo those renllrmcn, a greater fallacy wa nevfi uttered. Il nro-e from not distiur-uishing be tween n ilutv tint wis pahibitory nud 0110 ibnt was not. I he duty of 3 cents n pound 011 cotton was pro. uliilory. It was purely a protective, nnd not in the uns ;,ik;:,e.e.:"no; yv,2 : : lory, operated both for revenue and for protection. I I iieiucrciscortlieilulyincreasesthcrcve-ue.though, ' bv " - ' - litllvjl iilllilll II II enlnnciig iho , :re ises the prg-1 pi ice, it at the same time creates or mere leclion. VCrV I OncrfsS bid. ill Hmni filiii-ir. r.,.. nis.-d ihe iloeirine nf proteclion. Other eenlleuieu lia.I baiileil ngiiust ihe rule uulbori7inga ('ouiniiiicu on Mnniifarl. res. The lenlleinan from Viruinh (ttr. ri,rr,.i ii .1.1..1 ill . ! ''on io e x()unge ii. an. i, i e'ouiitry vvoiild like in'uch to have seen th- vole on it i ihev would like inueli in l,-,,- L ,i-i, .. I, .. r..- llirilslillL' flOIII ('nnnrrss llie l-iri.e elncs nf,.! 1 inieresnd in inanufiieiiires. Another rentleinan had . considered the mien vvoud.-n horse iui induce I into i-ilurl had nd' ed alnrt thr e.rl,h,T;.. h' ' gentleman slato tliat from the 1st of January to mo lUl-ril iim.n r.-.,.. I!.. live iiriir. r.MiI.ided! Wl,e, 1.,. . ,.. ... ' " 'r." the lth of .March. 1SI1. S l.ll !.!(!(! worn ov. 011 the 1st of November, will consist whom i a ked IMr. It. Th.. iirsi nended ! That nu.-lii to bn ,l..,loei.,l from ibo 1 aware, Potomac, Concord, -1arion, nud lac second V.;.uitO passed under the Consiliiitnii' 1 uxnensps of ibis A.liniiiisiraiiim it was nv. : llnteriirise. under cnniuiaiiil of m,,1 inIn,('' 1UI" I'Oi'dcd before they camo into power. Tho ex- ''lie West India Squadron, under pa.eeeil to Ihe present, ihroiiL.h nl llio nhnses of nariv. . r....i- 1. . ' (' W'ill-.',,, .n.JJii,,.r nf il, 1 long";:; vj,; niuicnriu-diiv:1'1 ";llf 10 "" f trr, -.-u nnilvaeroollv burden. He beb. veil iibnosi every , 1 10 , ulf't''uusly prnlhgato" Aihniiiislratinn of li 10, at thu Sandwich Islands, undergoing re tarill' lull had been nicsenieil i nder that rule llu'i ' the venerable seiitleman fiom .Massachuselts. pairs. Thin squadron, after visiting the mirth. Mr. It. said) he did not intend In no furiher into the .1.1.111.. . .-. ,.,. , ,r ..... .ul- ue nineiiie wX'lynss iheMrssai-e should be iiferrcl lo llio fommiilee mi Maiiiif.ieiuris. in the fiisi place, ihe ru'e and the coiiiiiiinee werecreai.Hi for the express purpose i tins was Ihe committee o whom llm subject h id usually l( en referred. 'I be flnininittee of Wavs nnd Menus hndsuehauiultmlicitvof business l,ef, ,-o ibe.,. th vcould not possible give this subject ihe nllrnllon which it required. Arid, laa ly, this was the npprn- priaiecoinuiiiiie. bicause iheonly queue n was, ,nw you shall discriminate t nnd ns nny ilisciupination - , . . I - cou .e" ibe c , , . irt , n cuur e uie iiiiiuuiii e on Hint Mifjcci snnuia i.u.e eo;'uilllccof it Mr. J. H. Ingcrsotl said llio qitestion invol vod was Biniply nn inquiry wliolhir llio parlictt lnr part nf thu jMcssago iinvv iitulor consiilera tion, ulioulil bo rcfcrrnl lo otic nr tn nnotlior of two btnmlinjT Cunitnittccs of this House, The ilillbronco was sitnply'lliis lictwcn llieso two coiniiiiUcos : llio niiu of llictn Ji ail been const i titleil, lie prcxtiinctl from its very name, with a view to a particular knnwlctlgc on tlie part of its members of a particular subject to which this porlinn of tho Message had reference. He would show, lirst, that tho Committee on Man ufactures hail a valid existence. It had been coittcmlril here that it. had nut, or ought tint to have. This argument should not exist, were it not that a particular duty was not assignee! 'o it There no was assignment of duties at all to the Cotiiiniltoo on Agriculture anil on Indian Affairs iVo doubt existed as to its constitutionality, anil as liltle could there be with relcrcnce to tho I true construction of the ,1cssagc. If a judicial I eye should pass over the parts of the Message that had been quoted, it would see that the in tcnlion of the President was to unite in theory tho reconciliation of increased duties, of an aug mentation of dulies, with the protection of do incsticinaniifacluros. Itwas not to be overlook ed that the legal adviser of the l'rcsklcnton Ihis o'nt was a of Pennsylvania, a Ktatc where the doctrine was perfectly orthodox that "iich n reconciliation may exist. Lvt the l'ro sident's own language bo its own exponent, (Mr. l.J here quoted Ifonttlie Mossn:rc, and lofcircel to and bnelly commented on its examination by tho gent Ionian from Virginia, Mr. Joncs.l There could bo no doubt of tho intention of the 1'iesi dunt. lie further quoted various passages in eoiiiK'vioii from the -Message, and thou conti lined, Ho apprehended that the President was entirely right in his idea of the possibility of a reconciliation between these two things, that gentlemen had deemed inconsistent. Mr. Stanley said, had he not known this House as well ns ho did, ho should have boon surprised at the range of debate taken on the mere question of reference. Hut ho understood the object. They had seen the enemies of the Whig parly and he welcomed them to the strife led on by the honorable gentleman from Xcw Hampshire, (Mr. Atherton.) Mr. Atherton inquired of the Speaker if this was in order. Mr. Stanley disclaimed any thing tiU'en shc. He saw somo manifesting a disposition here to raise a cry that the Whig party desired to fasten on the country a protective tariir; and the gentleman from ,'ew Hampshire, (.Mr. Atherton, with a zeal a hasty zeal for which he, (Mr. S.) as a Southern man. did nni I I hank him, was endeavoring to protect the South; i and really the discussion had been unite amusiiie?. Ho had boon amused tosee how tho "corporal's guard" had taken sides in this matter. Thoro was the gentleman Irom Pennsylvania, (Mr. Irvin) yesterday made one ol the most ingenious, non-committal speeches, for a protective man, he ever heard, lie said the Message recom mended a protective tarill; and did not recom mend it ; while another Southern gentleman disclaimed for tho President all idea of encour aging domestic manufactures. It was not for him (Mr. S.) to settle this dispute between the two parties; he would letthein discuss it among themselves. He thoucht it a little unkind fijr the gentleman from Pennsylvania to note with such emphasis that a .Southern HVig-, from Georgia, Ind boon among the lirst in attacking a protective tarill. l),d tho gentleman forgeTt some of his peculiar Iriends, hound to himliy more ties than he (.Mr. S.) knew of who talked loud in disclaiming a protective tariff! Would the gentleman send word in his speech that not only Southern Whigs are oppos.'d to a protcc tiie tarill", hut that sumo uf his special, political, and personal friends were throwing themselves a stop in advance of tho Whig partv proper, and disclaiming n protective tarill! lit wanted the question undcrtood. Mr. Irwin (.Mr. Staulcv having giving wav) bald he wns not awuro that he bad made any such remark as the gentleman from Xoith Car oliu.i (Mr. Stanley) had understood him to make. Ho (.Mr. I.) did not understand tho gentleman from (Ji'orgia (Mr. Foster) to confine Ins oppo sition to a protective tarill; but to deny the right to discriminate, within tho principles of The compromise act even, in favor of domestic tian illaclures ; and ho was astonished to hear that sentiment expressed by a Southern Whig. Mr. Stanley said that wns not tho part of the gcnllennii's leinaikstn which he referred. He W". lliuuijJit tlio fjciitlmiian m comuientiii'r he had done with such cimiliasis. on llm f.ict that a Southern Whig was opposed to pro. lection, was endeavoring to hold up Southern Whigs to contempt to Ins constituents. If he (.Mr. S. had done the gentleman injustice, he was sorry. Ho ought lo recollect that his own peculiar friends were taking the lead of Southern Whigs in opposing a protective tariff. i The gentleman from (ieorgia said that the ''nuiinitteo on Manufactures had no duties bv the rules nf this House. Mr. S. here referred to the Journal of the House, showing that in l?!)-" a eoininillee appointed for that purpose had reported to the Houtothe necessity of the Com milieu on Commerce, among others, and that this committee was expressly created to have in charge commerce and manufactures! ; and that it so continued till 1 fa 10, when the subjects weie separated, and the (.'oinmilteo on Manu factures appointed. It was no new thing. The frainers of the (,'onstituti m m 1?I).j established the Comniitiec on .Mant.fiictuief. And who now proposed to knock it away ! A Southern wing ,o one .Mr.JSinith who never chimed 1 tint title, and did not want it, from a district of ngiliia, near this place. Let that fact goto Ihn finillilf nf I'iMsliiirrr 'l'Jift rrmil Imiiitiii Irniil Pennsylvania bad called on Southern Whigs to come up and standby their standard. Ho (.Mr. S.) did not know what standard they had in I'lltsburgh ; tho .Southern Whigs in his country had mjiiii! of their own, and he should like to call the gentleman from Pennsylvania lo come and stand by hi.-- side in rejecting abolition pctitiuus, the next time they came up. Let him come and Help us. . ,, ,, , ........ T , Hut the gentleman from irgiuia, .Mr. Jones, l'le ex Chequer of this House, had made one ol Ihnsf niibl. imnlli. siieeelii. u li.v u-illi nil .1,11;.. ,",. r i.n ,,u.,u:i,i., :,..;iin. ing goniieiiieii,sometinies put a deceptive slate- ment he would not sav intentionally before the Public, lie (Mr. S.) said again he wel comed the strife wilh the gentleman from Vir 1 ginia for with all his hocofocoisin, he (Mr. S.) took pleasure in calling him a friend, ho ' was as much so, he was willing to admit, as a j l.orofoco could be. He (Mr. Jones) cominencv;d an attack 011 this Administration, and taunts us by asking "where is this great reduction of o.v ''uirh,"rr jr' rr f,c-d ,w !" lr n ' "' ,a' Put ,l,m t0 1,10 "'"sh, Thu; gentleman liad san that the G.vpcnse. of Gov. eminent this year for tlie first three quarters fnnouiitgd lo S2 l,7.);l,.l 1U. Why could not tho peuse quarter thiVited at seven million. TakitiLr awav from tlie iS'JI.-Ill.ylO tho SI.OJO.KiO, left 8'0,707,- lb(); to which, adding S7,'s.'70,7,s!:l, the cstimat en expenses lor tho last qiiaiternf this year, it amoiintrd lo !s!-J7,0!J7,.)0 1. lu tho place, ho asked the gentleman Irom Virginia lo compare this witlltllO tllirl V'.llillo liiilliinis vnn ndoil ilor. ing Van lluren's Adminislration. How did this llurly-liilio millions couniare with tho twelvo Mr, Adams Did he come into povvur with his irionus pnuessiiig ret rencliinoiit and relonn.and ' twolvo years! Did it come in t.'"1'1' grace h-r gentlemen in jimver I well o years, controlling this House and iho nation with an I iron run, lo taunt us not having been in power one thort year and wilh iiiisiindci tandiii" '", . V "",,u . "r.ees, so Unit .nn, in. 1 1 i.. . , .. - .. ... .. . - muovv vvticro vve are to taunt us wilh ncrciauliig tho expeiidiliiresl And llns Is created by iho appropriations which ho (Mr, J.) ami Ins party made. I low did this twent v.sevon m.l. l - - J --- I ..,. .i uiiii i-vtuj IIIIH.IIIUII PUVI'IUI Llltli U IU IIIU V,'JHO VI VII V It ' ' , m"'" ,"t' ! i i , ,.,o aiinronriatiiinn e.un i. .... . ,. ... j "- - ,. --....v .. ti. ii- it. -. extra session of Congress from any increase of tho Army 1 IS'o; that was done under Van llurnn, Ilis venoraliln friend, formerly at tho head of the Committee on Military Adair?, toilghtto givo them some nccountof th's. Theso appropriation outstanding on the -1 1 1 1 of March last, were more than thirty.ono millions of do! lars, and Iho works of last Congress and tho last Amiiiistration, when theso gentlemen had a majority, and it was for them to account for these appropriations showing so large an in crease. Had the gentleiuaii forgotten, too, that when Mr. Woodbury was the Secretary of the Treasury, ho preached to them to economize Cumberland, Savannah, Karitatt, ami St. I.iw and reform, and keep the appropriations within I roncc. .Measures have also been taken for the Iho estimates ; and does tho gentleman retnom- construction nf a steamer on Lake I!ric. ber the conversation on this lloor between a dis. The Secretary states that great dillicully is tinguislicd gentlemen from Philadelphia, .Mr. encountered in the enlistment of seamen that Sergeant, now no longer a member of this , the operation of the apprentice system is on liouse, when ho asked bun Mr. Jones' if the i couraging that great depredations aio made appropriations Ind not already exectdjd the i on the live oak and red cedar timber, reserved estimates, and tho chairman of the Committee ' fur public use, on the public lands, in violation of Ways and Means said thoy had by something of the law and tho cflbrts to obtain American like a million of dollars ; and the gentleman 1 water rotted hemp for the use of the Navy have from Maine, Mr. livans, now in the Senate, been unsuccessful. asked him, and he said they miglit exceed the f The Secretary Mates that rcfurm is noces estimates by a million and a half of dollars !, sarv in every part of the naval establishment, Ho .Mr. S.j would read from a report of that I and he proceeds to specify many of tho partic d ly to show him the iinkiiiilness in throwing ulnrs in which this reform is needed, lie points those taunts on us. Mr, S. then read the fol-1 out the great deficiency, nnd almost abscono of lowing : any properly legalized code of laws and rules for "On tho Hi! of March, 1811, Mr, Jones, chair-1 tho regulation of the service, and the gross man PI tho toiniintloo of Ways and Means, said, in answer to a oilflstiou from .Ur. Sorg-cant, 'as to the probable amount of receipts frail the . says that the evils resuming fnjgthc want of a customs, every gentleman could judge as well proper naval code are of the most char as Mr. .1. His own 'opinion was, that, owning actor, and will, if not remedied, ultimately ruin 'to recent occurrences, they would probably fall the nava service. I'ho uoxt reform which he 'far short of what had been formerly anticipated.' deems to be necessary, is in tho "organization "Air. .1. admitted that 'llio whole amount ap- of the Navy Department," It is, he says, "in 'propriated by tho bills and amendments would , truth not organized at all," and ho earnestly 'exceed the estimates by a million nf dollars.' recommends immediate altotition to the sub- ".Mr. rivaus hero observed that llio chairman had omitted some important items. ".Mr. .limes recollected that ho had omitted 'one of ")7",000, contained in the Naval Ap propriation bill. Tins would make the whole 'amount of excess about a million and a half. ".Mr. IOvans said the total would bo nearer 'two millions and a half. He thou went into an numeration of items to show that this was a 'eoncct statement. "Mr. Jones said that he had spoken only of bills from the Committee of Ways and Means. "Mr. .Sergeant observed that, even admitting 'the estimates of tho Secretary of the Treasury 'to be correct, wo should have this year but 10 'millions from the customs, and three and a hall 'millions from the public lands ; and the sums 'already appropriated would ovcoed this amount 'by between " and fi millions." During tho hist session (continued Mr. S.) of last Congress, when the reign of Van Huron ceased, and lie no longer had the power to mis rule this great and mighty nation, Mr. Wood bury makes his estimates, and tells us we must not exceed them ; and yet, before the session is out, Iho chairman of the Committee of Ways and Means admits that they were exceeded by nearly two millions of dollars. How did they dupe tho country ! Was there in tho-e estimites of Mr. Woodbury's any estimate for the Florida war! (Mr S. then read from document No. 70, '.!(ith Congress, 'Jd session, a letter fiom the Secretary of War to Mr. J. W. Jones, chair man of the Committee or Ways and .1eans, in which, speaking of the arrearages duo to the Florida troops ho says : "'Phis pay is now due, and, as the troops stand in need of it, justice re quires it should be paid at the earliest possible day" "with as little delay as practicable." With this letter, nf the date of December 17, 1310, was transmitted the following statement, received from the Paymaster C'eneral's office, November l!l, 1810, of the dues to tho Florida ftinps : "lor arrearages to the militia called i into service to Florida, W.'l.'Jil 0'.'; and for' piy of battalion (ieorgia voliinteors for service I three months in loiu, -r.'u, lit) Us; amounting to So,-,0,(i'J0 10. Mr. Iloodbury, in Mibniittiug his annual es timates, kept nut of view not only tho money wanted, but debts duo ; among others, this debt; thus Iho Whig party must be saddled with char ges which tho Van iluien Administration made ! Was it kind, fair, or generous for the gentlc iiim from Virginia to impose on the country in this way ! Take away the twelve million dol lars public debt, and vve tihould be able to re duce tho expenditures tome tenor twelve mil lion dollars. These appropriations, therefore, weie to piy tho debt created ky the last Adurn istralion, and not the Whig Congress, or since the Whig party had been in power, lie (Mr. S.) requested tho gentloiinn from Virginia, there fore to postpone his censure until there was a fair trial, to see what tho Whit "uutetilo; and if they retained their strength if Loco focoism did not make too much inroid upon them, he trusted they would bo able to give a good ac count. If they could not let them bo scouted out of power, and sunk, as he trusted they (the late Administration) had, in public indignation and contempt. Mr. .S'lade obtained tho floor, and moved that the House adjourn. Which motion prevailing, Tho House adjourned to Monday, at twelve o'clock- IMF NAVY DKPAItT.MlONT. The rcportH of tho Secretaries of War and the Navy have been published in the National Intelligencer. Wo regret not having been ahlu yet to find room for them. They contain iiiiicu iiiioriiiauou 111 a i.uiu which every reauer must feel an inleiest in. That of the Secretary of the Navy in particular, embraces an almost inliiiite number of topics, relating to the navy in all its aspects, its condition, its deficiencies, tho defect of its code, tho want of organizitiou of the elep irtment, ils need of enlargement, its want of higher grades of ollicers, the need of an increase of the marine corps, the want of a na val school, and niaiiy other stibjects,are all brief ly and judiciously considered and a great num. ber of reforms, improvements, and enlargements are rcccomuiciidcd. The present force of thi navy is 1 1 ship3 of tho line, of which one is of l"0 guns and the rest of 7 1 each ; 1j frigates of the first class, one of which is rated at Til guns and. the other l-l at -1 1, and of the second class rated al guns ; 16 sloops of war rated at 10 to ".'() guns, (i brigs and schooners of 10 guns each ;-! steam, crs ; il store ships : II receiving vessels ; and 5 small schooners. The frigafo Draiidywinc and sloops-of-war Fairfield and I'rchlo are in the Mediterranean, under command of Com. Aforgan. The squad riri in tho Pacific, when Com. Jones arrives there, who is expected to sail in the course ot tho lie'Xt fortnight, will embrace besides that fri gate tho sloops.of-vvar Kt Louis, Vorktovvn, ("vane, and Dale, and schooner .Shark. The squadron 011 the Ilrazil station, 011 the arrival of Delaware, i, wlneli leu uainplnn ltoaus ol the Del- Decatur, and Com. .Morris. command of Macedonian, Ihe Vandalia, and Warren, now in the United .States, having loft the station for the hurricane season, will be ordered hack as soon as lliey can bo furnished with crews. The Constellation and lloston, under coinui unl of ('0111. Kearney, are in the Fast Indies, despatches having been received from Ihoni at the Cane of Good Hope to .lulv III, Hll. The llvploring Squadron, under the command nt Lieut. ilkes, was at west coast of Africa, N expected to re.turn to ! Uie t'nitea states early in iar. it is proba- I hie tint later partictifars have been received from l.ioutenant likes, since the dale of the j Secretary's report. A squadron of small echooii- orr, under J.iout rowell, lias been employed in riio survey ol tho coast, from Apalachicola to the 1 .Mississippi, . uu is u ovv . .iiS..?.-1 in im. s urvvy oi ...... : ..... ........ .. - l:.... r Nantucket South Shoal. llio brig Dolphin, Ciniiiatihr Hell, and schooner Grauiiui-', l.ieut Paine, returned in May and August last, from . Iheir second cruiro to ihu coast of ifm-a. Tho ham "'"P" .Missouri ami Mpsmeippi. built al in. i.i..i i v.... ...i ;....l . ....I.. ... .. ui 'I...I,, mill es,,-,, , v, .., u.v. 1JI--I.. .J .V.l.l. homo squadron. Orders have been given for llio builelinrf of three steamers of medium size, at New York, Philadelphia and Norfolk. In addition, a steam er of GOO tons H to ho built at Philadelphia, im. dor tho suprciiitetidanco of dipt. R. F. Stockton with liricsoii's Propeller, and another at Nor folk, of a00 tons, by I.iottt. W. W. Hunter, to bo propelled by submerged water wheels, in- vented by lumself. Orders liavo been given for building a first class sloop, ami three small vessels of war, and for finishing the frigates irregularity oi the mode in which the Jogula. tions actually in force wore introduced, lie icct, Ho urges at some length Iho iiiipoitancc of an increase of the navy, as rapidly as the means at its disposal will admit. He cxprosscs a de cided opinion that a very large part of the in crease ought to consist ofstci-in bhips, and ho I gives tlie grounds of tins opinion, lie recom- , mends that an experiment be made, in imitation of the example of Kngland, which has proved successful, of buildu g .m iron steam ship. He thinks it not necessary to increase at present the number of hue of battle -liips, ami that some of those which vve have would be more useful, if cut down to frigates of the largest class, of wind wo need a largely increased number. Tho ves sels for which there is the most pressing demand are sloops of war, brigs and schoonerf ; and he recommends tint a suitable number be immedi ately built. Not less than ten, he tavs,a rc now necessary. Ho repeats the recommendation of the cstab lishmoet of higher grades of officers in thu ser vice, and urges its importance on a variety of grounds. A large increase of the marine corps, he pronounces to bo absolutely necessary. The laws and regulations for tho government of the marine corps require to bo amended, lie rec ommends strongly tho establishment of naval schools, as a measure highly important. Ho re commends some provision in regard to the pro. fessers of mathomatics now employed in the service. He recommends the necessary appropriations for keeping a much greater number of ships in actual service, and expresses his approval of the estimates made by llio Navy Commissioners. He recommends an appropriation foj the pur chase of lands, for an incaeaso of the Navy Yard at Brooklyn. He expresses his approval of a prudent economy in all things, but considers true economy best rommltod, by addopling free ly thatc.poiiditure which is necessary for sup. porting the honor and glory of tho country, and placing it in a state to defend itself against all hostile attacks. J'ltlOAV MOIlXINli, DI-XKMIir.ll 3111. ItKPORT OF TIIirPOST-MAS'l'Il GENKKAL. The annual Report of the Post Master General represents the finances of tlie de partment as in a more favorable condition than they have been for years. The gross revenue of tlie year ending on llio .'iOth of Juno last, amounted to Sl,il7),J17, ant) the expenditures to ?1,5G7,2;1S, making an ex cess of pviiomli'iu.s. uf stS7,'Ji?(). The es timate for the current year exhibits a con tinued deficit, vi. : Total amount of revenue derived from postages, fines and all other sources, S 1,350,000 Kipense of mail transportation, Commission to Postmasters if the rates of per ccmnge remain unchanged, Ship, steamboat and way leiiers, Incidental expenses, including I lan!.s, sta tionery, printing, .f-c. a, 113,000 1,013,000 '0,000 300,000 l,-ll'0,fiCfl i,:ifO,ooo Total estimated expenditure, Total estimated income, Making a deficiency of -110,000 Tho Postmaster General states that lie lias endeavored to introduce into the department the most rigid economy, yet he is of opin ion tliat tho expenditure cannot be reduced within tlio income without either reducing tho transportation of tho mail labor or in creasing the re venue. Uy virtue of authority granted by tho act of ISj, he has adjusted the commissions of Deputy Postmasters, by means of which there will bo an increase of revenue of about one hundred thousand dol lars. He alludes to tlio subject of a reduc tion of the rates of letter postage, hut says ho is not prepared, in the present financial condition of tho department, to urge it, but ho recommends a modification to make the rates correspond with tlio smaller coins of the United Stales. He also recommends a revision of the laws regulating newspaper postage, but does not propose an increase of rate on the postage of" newspapers proper." Ho does, however, very properly suggest a discrimination in the posta-je of papers of umiS'ial size, which over load tlio mail with out defraying tho expense of carriage. The following is tlio amount and cost of llio diflerent modes of mail transportation for llie past year: On rail-roads and steam boats UJlCoO miles, at llio cost of SoSo, SKI; on horse and in sulkies 12,U8S,8G2 miles, at a cost of 8781,807 ; in stages and coaches 1S,0G 1,313 miles, at thu cost of 7)l,03o ; milking an aggregate amount of annual transportation of 3 l,jyG,5." niilcs,at the cost of ?3,loy,!J75. Tho Postmaster General states that t'lii burrassmnnts have arisen in making the contracts with many of tho rail-roads for mail transportation, arising from the inade quacy of tlio compensation offered and the unwillingness of companies to run at times fixed by the Deptu Uncut, because they pre fer to run at such times as best suit llio trav elling community. Tlio Postmaster General has, therefore, in our opinion, adopted a ju dicious course, in inviting llio Presidents of ihodilU'reut railroad companies to meet him at Washington on llio first of January, for tho purpose of entering into an arrangement for iho transportation of llio mail upon a basis which shall In just nnd cipiit.ihlo, consider for service, and will form a part of tho ing tho nature of tho scrvico to be psrform--ed by each company. We liopo that his efforts for a satisfactory arrangement will bs met in a liberal and accommodating spirit by the officers of tho railroad companies, nd that by such an arrangement they will bo ablo to infuso into tho mail, so far as thoy conu within the scope of tho railroads, a degree of efficiency and regularity which hat not yet been attained. Till'. NKV HNANtlAI. ACE.VT. The project of the President, forthe man agement of the finances, as matured by him, with the aid of his legal advisers, was com municated to (ho House of Representatives on Tuesday last by the Secretary of iho Treasury, in the form of a bill, accompanied by an explanatory report. The bill proposes that thcro shall bo es tablished in tho Treasury, Department at the seat of Government, u Hoard, lo bo call ed the Exchequer of the United States, to bo' composed of the Secretary of the Treasury t tlie treasurer of the United States, and throo- members to bu appointed by tlio President, with ibe advico and consent of tho Senate. Tho three members first appointed to be for two, four and six years, and as tho term respectively expire, their successors for six years. One of the three members to be an- pointod by the Board President, for two years. Inferior officers, judrred nccessar. bv the Hoard, to bu appointed by tho Secretary of the Treasury, to roceivo salaries fixed by tho Board ; and give bonds as tho Secreta ry of thu Treasury may direct. The mem bers, or Commissioners to receive an annul salary of dollars. Tho Board of Exchequer is to have pow er to establish agencies or offices in such places as they may judge expedient, not ex ceeding iwo in any State or territory, and' wherever Congics may require ; and on thu recommendation of the Hoard, the Secreta ry of the Treasury will appoint the necessa ry officers agents. The Board to fix the rates of compensation, and to establish reg ulations for managing their agencies and rendering their accounts. The duties to bo so arranged, and accounts so kept, that ono officer or agent shall bo a check upon tho other. The Secretary of the Treasury to liavo the power of lemoval for physical in ability or incompetency, or neglect or viola tion of duly, reporting his reasons thors for. The Exchequer and its otViccs arc to bo the general agents of the Government, for ! receiving, keeping, disbursing, Iransfering and transmitting the public monies, under I tlio direction of the Secretary of the Treas ' ury, and to them are to bp paid all the public monies received from every source. Tho I principal officers employed in the Hgencirs- to give bonds, in such amount and in such amount and in sucli form as the Secretary of the Treasury shall prescribe. The Board or its agents to pay all warrants, drafts or orders thereon by the Treasurer of the Uni- ted Status, and by the disbursing officers and , agents of tlie Government, having authority j to make tlie same. All payments to b j made, at the option of the person entitled to t receive it, in gold or silver coin, or in Treas ury notes. ( The Exchequer and its officers are lo pfr- form, under the direction of the Socretary of 'tho Tic.istiry, tlie duties of commissioners of loans, disbursing agents and pension ugonu. I It will bo lawful for the Exchequer at ths I scat of Government, and its several agencies : to receive gold nnd silver coin or bullion, tho property of individuals, on deposito, forcon venienco and security, and lo issue certif icates, attesting such deposite, which cer tificates shall be redeemed on presentation at the agency where delivered. The aggre gate of deposites is never to exceed $15,000 000, and this amount to bo distributed by thu Board among its agencies, according to the extent of iheir business respectively. No higher premium than one half of one per cent to bo taken for such deposites and issuing the cerlficatcs therefor. Paper issued by the Board and its agencies, whether in tho form of bills or certificates of deposite, to bo redeemable only St the placo where issued, unless the Board shall see cause lo order otherwise. It is made the duty of the Board to establish by-hins. The Secretary of the Treasury is to havo prepared Tioasury Kotes, of denomination not less than five dollars, nor greater than one thousand, to be signed by the Treasurer of the United States, countersigned by tho President of the board of Exchequer, and endoiscd by tho principal agent, of tlieageu cy at which they shall be issued, and re deemable in gold or silver at the agency, where issued. Such notes when issued at the Exchequer in Washington to bo en dorsed by one of the Commissioners. All such notes when redeemed may be reissued by the board and its agencies. The amount of such notes outstanding nt any ono time, not to exceed $15,000,000,. unless otherwise provided by law. The Secretary of the Treasury is authorized from time to time, on application of the board, lo furnish for its own use and that of its agency a suitable amount of such notes, to be issued in tho transaction of ils business. All dues 'o the United States may be paid in coin, in theso treasury notes, or in tho notes of banks immediately convertible into specie at tht place where received. The Exchequer at Washington, and it agencies must settle weekly ,or oftoiier, with all banks whose notes it may have received, and collect or pay a" balances. No indi vidual is to be allowed to stand debtor to the Exchequer or any of its agencies in account. The hoard and each of its agencies lo limit its issues so that its i'iiV ami silver on hand shall be eijital to one third the amount of stick issues outstanding. The Exchequer may draw lulls or drafts on any of ils agencies, and thu ngcncii s, on ono another or on the Exchequer, and sell such draft! at a ptcmium nul ccrcdine; lliv

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